Carolina’s 37-13 loss to Baltimore has a lot of lows to choose from. Here’s my five -- and here's the link to my column on Brian St. Pierre written after the game and in Monday's newspaper:
1) Third-down conversions. This is where Carolina’s offense really let down. The Panthers went 1-for-13 on third downs, often throwing very short, safe and ultimately unsuccessful passes on third-and-long. That's how you get to 1-9.
2) The takeover. Ravens fans really took over the stadium. We’ve seen it before – most notably when Patriots fans controlled about 90 percent of the Panthers' stadium in the fourth quarter of Carolina’s final loss during the 1-15 year of 2001. It wasn’t that bad Sunday, but the chant of “Let’s go, Ravens” was everywhere in the closing minutes in Charlotte.
3) Pass defense. Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco threw for 301 yards, never came close to getting picked off and had a pass rating of 110.8. The 56-yard TD bomb on Baltimore’s second play was an unfortunate symbol.
4) Pick six. Baltimore scored two touchdowns 11 seconds apart in the fourth quarter on back-to-back interception returns of Brian St. Pierre for TDs, which changed a 23-13 game into the 37-13 final score.
5) Kickoff coverage. Baltimore rookie David Reed’s 84-yard return of the second-half kickoff gave the Ravens a burst of momentum.
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Folks we have hit rock bottom.We can only go up from here.
I just posted a youtube video asking if it time to for the Carolina panthers to fire John Fox and Marty Hurney.In My video i give the reason why i think Both Fox and Hurney should be fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P32qZGR1tdQ&feature=player_embedded
Except for one long pass today, the Panthers continued to throw so called "short and safe" passes. That has been their m/o under Fox. Fox continued to show his arrogance when he called two time outs in the last minutes of play when the Ravens had the ball.Maybe tomorrow we will read where Fox and Davidson are no longer with the team.
It is too easy to blame John Fox. He has to play with the team management gave him. The question if whether Marty Hurney is really to blame for the lack of talent and a quaterback, or whether he is simply acting on the orders of a penny-pinching management. Either way he is probably gone, either because he is to blame, or because he is fired as someone to take the blame. Jerry Richardson should be shedding his kindly grandfather image. The Panthers must be HUGELY profitable because they are spending nothing for players except for Steve Snith (the forgotten man), John Beeson, and John Kaysay. The failures to sign a veteran quatterback and productive second receiver was unforgivable and guaranteed the season that we are having. We are starting a bunch of guys who would be reserves on real NFL teams. Starting a guy who has completed five passes in eight years and never started for anyone is the stuff of farce. The idea that he was considered better than what we have on the roster is shameful. Fox must be figuring out that he is being made the fall guy for a supposed "youth movement" (translation, cut everyone with a significant salary before the lockout). Keeo Snith and Beeson for cover.
Mike Goodson is the best thing to happen to this team all year!Go Goodson
Foc prove today it was his intent not to win the game. Maybe he is under orders from above, so they can get the #1 pick, which Buffalo and Dallas play away from today, or maybe he is lossing to spite the owner. But with 6 seconds left in the first half, not to go for the hail Mary, but instead punting shows Fox wanted to loss.
Or maybe Fox doesn't realize to win you have to score the most points. He's shown this tendancy for years now.
Scott Fowler... I'm so sorry you have to watch this mess long after the rest of us have quietly returned to our off season sunday afternoon lives. The team loses and no one really cares anymore. I really worry about this team's long term survival in this lousy economy and small market
"The question if whether Marty Hurney is really to blame for the lack of talent and a quaterback, or whether he is simply acting on the orders of a penny-pinching management".
The talent isn't the problem, it's the lack of development by the coaching staff not developing the young players.
"Either way Hurney is probably gone, either because he is to blame, or because he is fired as someone to take the blame".
Hurney contract did expire in the summer of June. I didn't hear any reports if JR extended his contract or not. But he was in charge of the drafting this year.
Even when Fox had the veterans he was still a mediocre of a head coach.
Having the veterans wouldn't change Fox philosophy of run,run,pass,punt.
Hurney is probably being order by JR to not extend anyone contracts, let along go into a salary dump/youth movement.
"The failures to sign a veteran quaterback and productive second receiver was unforgivable and guaranteed the season that we are having".
We can have a Holmes, Marshall, or any good receiver and it still wouldn't matter.
We have a lame duck coaching staff who doesn't adjust, game plan to set players up for success, or can't develop young talent.
Holmes, Marshall, Tj H, TO would all call it quits on this horrible team.
Bill B would prepare this team each and every week. Not run no elementary school offense of run,run,pass, punt.
I paid for Sunday Ticket so I could watch this...
Lmao panthers fan don't not renew your psl's for next year. Just watch the game from home or just buy the regular tickets
I'm a hard-core Panther fan and always have been. In the past I've been disgusted at times with crowd boooing and exaggerations regarding the teams demise. It has been my tendency to support the team regardless of circumstance.
Today I MUST change my ways. It is officially time for fans to boycott this team! I will not watch any more games or go to any for the rest of the year. I have not missed a single game in years but that is about to come to an end. I call all panther fans to do the same. This has been the worst managed single season for a team in a very long time. Jerry Richrdson in no way deserves our current support.
Thank goodness there is one owner in this city that cares about his fans. MJ is such a breath of fresh air right now.
Thank goodness there is one owner in this city that cares about his fans. MJ is such a breath of fresh air right now.
To bad they won't make it to the NBA Finals. It won't be long before MJ is called cheap or doesn't knwo how to run a team
Bill P needs to be the GM of the team, only a pipe dream though.
Hurney isn't a horrible GM, but giving up next years 2nd round pick was a stupid move.
Mr. Richardson,
Go ahead and replace John Fox NOW.
You are going to do it anyway, so let's do it now and let the new head coach spend the rest of the season figuring out who stays and who to replace.
A new head coach coming in now, will be far better placed for choosing draft picks and free agents for next season. It's already clear that you've chosen to ditch Fox at the end of the season, so let's take a lesson from NASCAR and short pit and gain the advantage of the new stuff!
Next coach I'd like to see?
Tony Dungy.
Tony D isn't coming back to coach. Get a offensive minded coach, Dungy runs a cover 2 scheme.
Sick of tired seening the same bend until u break philosophy. How about live and die about the bitz?
With consistent pass rush=more turnovers/getting off the field on defense.
Well not really, unless the offense improves with a new coaching staff.
Everyone wear an App State hat with your Panther gear at the stadium. We need to get Edwards in the game a few times and see what he can do. If he was worth such a high draft, he must be worth seeing what he can do on the field. Play Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Ravens defense scored more points in 11 seconds than our offense scored in the entire game. 11 seconds. That just about says it all.
Play Edwards at WR only maybe.
St Pierre was not too shabby at all except for the final 2 big interceps.
He will work out fine as the new Panthers future QB for the next 7 yrs.
Geez, it was really humiliating to be a Panthers fan and be in the minority in your own stadium!
WE need to run Richardson out of town like we did Shinn. We have the worst owner in the league. By the way, he gives Morgan Fogarty from Fox an off the record interview...... Sounds like he wanted to see her up close in personal. What a jerk!!!!
ST. Pierre passes actually had some zip on them.... something I have not seen in a couple years.. a big difference between two teams in personnel today... I've seen enough of Clausen and hope I don't ever again!
"I've seen enough of Clausen and hope I don't ever again"?
Wow after 4 games of seeing Clausen everybody don't want to see him again?
It won't be long before some of y'all will say the same for Luck, Locker, or Mallet as well after 4 games.
It never ends, having a lame duck coach, predictable play book, lack od development= failure for any unproven rookie.
Call me a homer, but I think the Panthers defense is still pretty good. Just looked at NFL.com stats and our overall defense is no. 14 for yds allowed. Tied for 3rd in FEWEST pass gains of 20yds-plus. Tied for 7th in yards per play. They're simply on the field too long because of time of possession.
After listening to the GM on Panthers radio, I want to join the ASU crowd and give Edwards a chance. He has a better resume(2 national championships) and drafted higher than Pike and is faster than Clausen. Who drafts college QBs and makes then makes them recievers then drafts college recievers?? And these are "experts"?? Edwards can do no better than Clausen and get has gotten 3 starts. He can't do any worse.
"Call me a homer, but I think the Panthers defense is still pretty good. Just looked at NFL.com stats and our overall defense is no. 14 for yds allowed. Tied for 3rd in FEWEST pass gains of 20yds-plus. Tied for 7th in yards per play. They're simply on the field too long because of time of possession".
Along you are stating facts, your fine by me. Just wish Meeks had the heart to live and die by the blitz, his bend until you break doesn't work consistently.
"After listening to the GM on Panthers radio, I want to join the ASU crowd and give Edwards a chance. He has a better resume(2 national championships) and drafted higher than Pike and is faster than Clausen".
I wish Hurney had never drafted AE in the first place hearing these comments over and over again.
"Who drafts college QBs and makes then makes them recievers then drafts college recievers?? And these are "experts"?? Edwards can do no better than Clausen and get has gotten 3 starts. He can't do any worse".
Antwan Randal El, Josh Cribbs, Brad Smith(Jets), Hines W(Georgia) were all had changed position from Qb to WR entering this league.
What he did in college is no longer to be mention as in why he should start. Actually he decided to change his position entering the 2010 combine/draft.
Probably knew he wouldn't be able to play QB in this league.
Let Edwards got play QB for Mallard Creek or Butler and see how he does against good compeition in the high school playoffs although its doubtful ASU plays as good as some 4AA.
If he can win a 4AA high school championship then let him try out but odds are against it.
Marty Hurney has already told Don Gregory, Director of College Scouting,that he and the rest of the college scouts that they will all be coming back next season.
The Panthers need a personnel man like Bill Parcells to run their draft!
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