Wednesday, January 21, 2009

What pick could Panthers get for Peppers?

The NFL just released an updated draft order, which you can see below. The Panthers would have picked 28th in the 2009 NFL draft had they not traded the pick away to Philadelphia in the deal to grab Jeff Otah on Draft Day 2008.

That trade looks very good now -- the Panthers got a starting OT out of it, and the pick they traded away turned out to be quite a low one.

As of now, though, I'll bet the Panthers will end up with a first-round pick in 2009 after all. Why? They'll trade Julius Peppers for one in a sign-and-trade deal. And Peppers can very much help dictate where he wants to go, because he can simply refuse to sign a long-term deal if he's not happy with the team, and no team is going to trade a bushel of draft picks for one year of service from No.90.

Peppers, as we know, wants to go to a team that has a 3-4 defense if possible. So I've marked all the teams that run a 3-4 below in bold, in case Panther fans want to dream a little.

If Carolina trades Peppers -- and even if they don't -- I think the first pick they make in the 2009 draft will be a defensive lineman.

2009 FIRST-ROUND DRAFT ORDER

1. Detroit
2. St. Louis
3. Kansas City
4. Seattle
5. Cleveland 3-4 D
6. Cincinnati
7. Oakland
8. Jacksonville
9. Green Bay (switching to 3-4 in 2009)
10. San Francisco
11. Buffalo
12. Denver (switching to 3-4 in 2009)
13. Washington
14. New Orleans
15. Houston
16. San Diego 3-4 D
17. New York Jets 3-4 D

18. Chicago
19. Tampa Bay
20. Detroit (from Dallas)
21. Philadelphia
22. Minnesota
23. New England 3-4 D
24. Atlanta
25. Miami 3-4 D
26. Baltimore 3-4 D

27. Indianapolis
28. Philadelphia (from Carolina)
29. New York Giants
30. Tennessee
31. Arizona or Pittsburgh (Super Bowl loser) Pittsburgh has a 3-4 D
32. Arizona or Pittsburgh (Super Bowl winner)


Note: The NFL Draft will be held on April 25-26 in New York City.

27 comments:

dogear said...

Aren't Denver and Green Bay switching to the 3-4 in 2009?

Joshua said...

Let's just kill two birds with one stone. Peppers to SD for P. Riv. Jake to Churchill Downs for a sweet race horse to be named later.

Scott Fowler said...

Dogear: Nice catch. Yes, both those teams are switching (Green Bay has hired old Carolina coach Dom Capers to run its 3-4 defense). List is now updated.

The Kurb said...

49'ers also run a 3-4

Dan Dove said...

Scott, based on what I've heard in the past, I think you can scratch the Jets off that list. I don't think Peppers will want to be reunited with Kris Jenkins.

Tony said...

Scott:

Most obvious choice seems to be Denver in that they really need defensive help. Not sure if they are willing to give up multiple draft choices for Peppers, but the nature of them having a fairly high pick would probably lessen the need for a lot of draft picks that so many people seem to think Peppers is worth....

Kelly said...

Denver seems like the best choice. Not only are they in dire need of defensive help, and are in the process of implementing the 3-4, the Panthers just got done playing the AFC West, so it would be awhile before they had to worry about lining up against Peppers.

CJ63 said...

The Panthers need to draft a QUARTERBACK if they get a 1st round pick. Getting Nate Davis from Ball State would be perfect.

But I know, as long as Foxy is in charge there will be no quarterbacks drafted at all. He will depend on rejects and retreads from other teams.

martygras said...

How about Peppers to the Bears for Brian Urlacher and a mid-round draft pick? Urlacher can play on the outside for the Panthers and still be hugely impactful, but is no longer well-suited for the Bears cover 2 scheme...he just cannot cover the deep middle anymore. This would allow the Bears to move more speed to the middle (Briggs or Huntermeyer??) and upgrade their edge rush. Would seem to work out well for both teams as the it would solidify the Panthers linebacker situation,and the draft choice would help make up for the age difference between the two players. This should also work out OK cap-wise...I know that the Bears don't play a 3-4 alignment but I think Peppers would have alot of freedom in that system...

Scott said...

Steeler nation signing in--We dont want him; take your hat your coat and LEAVE>>>>> Carolina might get a second or third rounder on this non performing "SUPERSTAR". Best fit for this selfish player might be in Europe--he is not a game changer, teams dont respect him. Is he a great Athlete--yes--Is he a player--no--Is he a leader---ABSOLUTELY NOT. Anybody that signs this cat to a multiyear deal needs to get fired immeditatly.

Mark said...

The #9 or #10 look VERY good to me :)

Josh said...

Considering we're about to add Rip Scherer, Cleveland's QB coach, what about sending Peppers to the Browns for Derek Anderson, their first round pick (#5), and a later pick

Ryan said...

I don't know if Peppers could handle the altitude in Denver. Remember how he ran out of breath on that long INT return there a few years back?

Wesley said...

Send him to the Browns their D is terrible, maybe they will package Kellen Winslow or Derek Anderson with that 5th overall pick. Then sign Jason Taylor and trade Ken Lucas for another decent lineman or Lito Shepard who is a sick CB not even playing in Phily. And with that 5th overall get a QB, TE, or CB--Preferably Sanchez or Jenkins.

Homer said...

Why aren't people discussing the obvious? How about a sign and trade for Matt Cassel straight up. We need a QB; at least in the very near future, and Cassel would be a very good one.

Xavier said...

Cassel will likely be franchised this year until Brady's status is more clear. If we get a top 10 pick for Peppers, that will be all. If we get a QB like Andersen from Cleveland, we will likely be the ones adding a draft pick to the deal. I hate to say it but Peppers is overrated - look at what Allen did in KC two years ago and Minny last year and look what Minny gave up to get him.... that should help establish the market for Pep...and unfortunately for us (Panthers) we will get less for Peppers than KC did for Allen.

Kristen said...

Any way we could send J-Pepp to Denver in return for J-Cut? Just an idea...

Don't get me wrong, I love Jake Delhomme. Met him twice, great guy, great passion. I think Cutler has the same passion, and more consistency. But this is wishful thinking...

Kevin said...

There are some silly comments (i.e., the Phillip Rivers and Matt Cassel comments.)

I could see Peppers going to either Denver or Cleveland. I don't think he'd trust San Fran too much, and I doubt the Panthers would allow him to go to GB.

I couldn't see him going to NE, MIA, BAL, ARI, or PIT due to them being pretty low picks (that is, unless they tack on extra picks).

I say toss him to Cleveland. They need the help desperately. Maybe we could even scoop up Derek Anderson (I think he is far better than how he performed this year, and Cleveland definitely doesn't want him anymore). We've only played Cleveland three times in 14 years. Sounds good to me. That way we'll rarely, rarely encounter him again.

Kevin said...

Oh, and btw... don't misconstrue my Derek Anderson comment as anti-Delhomme.

Delhomme is my boy! I trust him for at least another year. He'll show us again this next season exactly why we've kept him since 2003.

Justin said...

Wow we really have some dumb fans in this city...If we trade Peppers we need to at least get a top 15 pick and other picks later in the Draft...Then with the top 15 pick, we get Orakpo from Texas, who is a Freak and then later in the Draft pick up Graham Harrell from T. Tech. Let Delhomme start this year (12-4) One game people...Then groom Harrell to be the starter of the future..This all hinges on Peppers leaving which I think would be a horrible mistake for both sides...Mainly Pepp! GO PANTHERS and go home Fairweather FANS!!!!

Josh said...

Trade Pep for a 1st round pick and bulk up the D-Line or grab a high end corner. Hakeem Nicks in round 2. Tight End round 3. And brilliant idea on Graham Harrell Justin. I don't understand Crabtree escaping the "stat padding" system criticism, but Harrell gets hammered for it,. He is a stud and would flourish with the likes of Smith, Jarret, and Nicks. And I do believe Jarret is a beast, he's just poorly used.

coolbreeze said...

hek. i would not be afraid to send him to a team we play often. matter of fact i would want too, and i would run the ball right at him and watch him stand there becuase the tight end got in his way.

Brian said...

You also have to think about the other team's personnel, personnel approach, and if this is a sign and trade, which team could be able to work out a deal with Peppers. Another factor is that any 3-4 team taking in Peppers is taking some risk that he can pan out as a 3-4 OLB--in that case, Rex Ryan would be a great potential fit in New York where he could use Peppers much like he did Terrell Suggs.
Pittsburgh is out--they already have 2 stud OLBs. Baltimore is already thinking about what to do with Suggs, although the possibility would be there for a Suggs for Peppers swap, but I doubt it because Suggs is a known quantity for Baltimore.
I think the Cassell for Peppers swap might be a possibility.
I think the other 2 could be Denver (but Denver would not part with Cutler, and as much as he puts up the numbers, that guy has some growing up to do.) or the Jets--Peppers would be a splashy way to move on from Bret Favre. In that scenario, the Jets already have Calvin Pace and used a high pick on Vernon Ghoulston, so one of them would have to be traded--if to the Panthers, not Pace, but possibly Ghoulston and a 3rd or 4th.

Bluesdaddy said...

Guys, forget about Peppers going anywhere for another player. The Panthers would have to do a sign and trade deal and his contract would have to match up closely with the player he is being traded for. With the contract he would receive in a sign and trade, this isn't going to happen. He will go in a sign and trade deal for draft picks. Probably a first round pick and two lower round picks. This would be the best possible situation for the Panthers.

Bluesdaddy

jjvegas said...

I'm a big Rams fan and who is the the hotest coach that got hired that right SPAGS! He would get the best out Peppers use him all over is what he wants. Trade him for the 2nd pick in the draft both sides will be happy plus they don't have to spend such a big contract on a rookie like they did in the past few years.We just got your linebacker coach which he did an awesome job on Beason,plus everybody like him.I know he wanted to go to a 3-4 but if he is used like he wants sky is the limit.I laugh when he had 1 bad year and everyone thinks he is washed up, came back with 15 sacks double teamed are you serious? Then we can get a tackle on free agency.Then just go strictly for defense.See they were in a lot of games it was that one quarter that killed them.SPAGS knows who to get the best out of his players just ask the G-MEN!

jjvegas said...

I'm a big Rams fan and who is the the hotest coach that got hired that right SPAGS! He would get the best out Peppers use him all over is what he wants. Trade him for the 2nd pick in the draft both sides will be happy plus they don't have to spend such a big contract on a rookie like they did in the past few years.We just got your linebacker coach which he did an awesome job on Beason,plus everybody like him.I know he wanted to go to a 3-4 but if he is used like he wants sky is the limit.I laugh when he had 1 bad year and everyone thinks he is washed up, came back with 15 sacks double teamed are you serious? Then we can get a tackle on free agency.Then just go strictly for defense.See they were in a lot of games it was that one quarter that killed them.SPAGS knows who to get the best out of his players just ask the G-MEN!

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