Thursday, February 13, 2014

Is Cam an elite NFL QB? Longtime Bears GM weighs in



Cam Newton and Drew Brees are ranked as two of seven elite NFL QBs by former Chicago Bears GM Jerry Angelo.

Jerry Angelo was a respected general manager for the Chicago Bears for a long time, but he got fired after the 2012 season. Now Angelo is making his evaluations more public, and he wrote a piece for thesidelineview.com that ranks every starting QB in the NFL on a nine-point scale.

Angelo's top five went like this:

1. Peyton Manning 9.0

2. Tom Brady 8.9

3. Aaron Rodgers 8.8

4. Cam Newton and Drew Brees (tie) 8.7

The piece is making headlines mostly because Angelo wasn't very complimentary of Jay Cutler, the quarterback he traded two first-round draft picks to get while he was at Chicago. He ranks Cutler No.15 and not elite and had various criticisms of him.

But it's also quite a compliment to Newton, who is ranked above (among others) in the original list at the top of the story: Philip Rivers, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Tony Romo on Angelo's nine-point scale. Here was Angelo's comment on Newton, whom he lists as one of the NFL's seven "elite" quarterbacks:

"A special talent with flaws. He took a good team and had them playing consistently well. They didn’t back into being divisional champs, they took it and he led the charge. Needs to continue to grow his football IQ. More work in the classroom is the key to his continued development."

Angelo's scale is somewhat unclear. Later in the very same piece, he does another numerical chart that ranks Newton seventh instead of fourth, but still in the same grouping of the seven "elite" quarterbacks (behind Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Luck and Rivers) but ahead of the other 25 teams' signal-callers. Anyway, it's somewhat interesting reading on a snowy day, especially the part where Angelo says quarterbacks like Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Cutler all may be "descending players."

37 comments:

Chappy said...

A thousand times NO. He has improved a great deal, but he just is not a winner. He disengages at crunch time, and looks for excuses to lose.

Clay said...

Yes!!!

And he will continue to grow and get better and better.

Oh by the way, he's back at Auburn finishing his education where he will graduate in May.

He's a great role model, intelligent, hard working and a great young quarterback with an unlimited upside.

We are truly blessed to have him here in Charlotte!

Fred Johnson said...

It is very questionable to rate Cam higher than Russell Wilson or Kaepernick. Both led teams built like the Panthers to greater success than Cam this year. I am not saying Cam is not elite, but if this guy can make Gettleman pay more for him, that's in his best interest. I would wager that at the end of their careers, Wilson will have the most SuperBowls than Colin or Cam.

Clay said...

Chappy did you even watch the Panthers this year. Cam was totally clutch at crunch time. The playoff loss to San Fran was because both lines of scrimmage got completely manhandled.

Fred Johnson how is it in the FORMER Bears GMs best interest to get Gettleman to pay to much for Cam. That makes no sense at all. Both San Fran & Seattle have much better offensive lines and offensive weapons than the Panthers.

Anonymous said...

Cam is not an elite QB and he is not a leader at the professional level. Demeanor and body language tells a lot about a person, especially in crunch time. Cam's sitting on the end of the bench with a towel over his head with things do not go his way. Doing the Superman bit after a touchdown when his team is getting blown out just to name a few. Furthermore, he is not very articulate during his press conference whether winning or losing. Cam has a lot of growing up to do and needs to stop acting like a 5th grader at the professional level. Don't get me wrong, the guy is very athletic, but I do not see him being an elite QB unless he changes a lot of things in a short period of time. Just my 2 cents worth. Opinions are like noses; everybody has one.

Anonymous said...

Not yet. I hope he is SOME DAY. He won't be "elite" until he starts to win PLAYOFF games and a SB or 2.

Anonymous said...

Are you serious, where is Andrew Luck? Where is Philip Rivers? Where is Stafford? Cam is very athletic but he can't read defenses or just doesn't do it.

Anonymous said...

Who is the idiot that keeps saying "he can't read defenses"? What evidence do you have to say that? That's such a tired statement.

Anonymous said...

Everybody

Donald Johnson said...

The Haters of Cam Newton just keep wasting your breath and time on the negativity of my Panthers franchise qb......oh the by the way their number one draft pick.......since you don't like him personally I suggested you move on down the road to some other scrub team like Jacksonville Jaguars with their number one qb Blaine Galbert in which Mel Kipper protege' I've forget the analyst name who said that Blaine Galbert would be a better qb in the nfl then Cam. The haters and the idiots

par said...

Cam a good qb. He is very inconsistent. Most of the games won during the 8 game stretch were by the defense. Give him another year or two before the "elite" tag is put on him.

Anonymous said...

Cam NEWTON is an ELITE Quarterback...YES, YES and YES...

I guess you FOLKS that say you know football missed the ESPN comments.

Quote: If Cam Newton was the QB for any other team, they would be WINNING Super Bowls. END QUOTE.

Charlotte, is not ready and perhaps going to lose Cam to another NFL team. Cam is going to be looking for a contract in the $110 - 130 Million range, and he will get it, either in Charlotte or some where else.

PAY THAT MAN!

Anonymous said...

No he is not an elite NFL QB. He will not beat you with his arm. Only with his feet. And only sometimes.

Anonymous said...

Never ceases to amaze me how low some of you will stoop to discredit Cam. First you complained about lack of wins and his demeanor in press conferences. Now all of that has changed, and you are still complaining about his alleged inability to read defenses. Others around the league have gotten the message, but too many in Charlotte have not. Glad to hear someone with his knowledge and experience compliment our QB.

Anonymous said...

You guys obviously have never seen a team with a true elite quarterback. Take the blinders off and realize that football is more than a qb being able to run. Defense wins championships but a good offense gets you to the dance. I hope he does well but Brady or Manning he is not.

James Raynor Jr. said...

2010 called. It wants its talking points back.

Anonymous said...

Chappy, are you serious? He is not a winner or disengages in crunch time? Did you not watch the first 49ers game, the Pats game, the Dolphins game, or the 2nd Saints game? In each of those games, the Panthers were behind in the 4th quarter, and Cam Newton led late 4th quarter comeback drives to get the wins. Haters gonna hate...

Anonymous said...

LOL. Cam is a good quarterback and in time we might say a great quarterback. But to place Cam in a list of elite quarterbacks is a joke. We could just have easily been sitting at home this year during the playoffs. Let's see what the next couple of years bring before we start placing labels on him.

Anonymous said...

If you have to ask the question, the answer is no.

Anonymous said...

not elite at all. inaccurate passer, cannot read defenses,appears more interested in promoting himself than team. still under contract so let him play another year before even thinking about giving him more money. sign our core free agents instead.

Tvan said...

This guy is smoking funny tobacco if he rates Cam Newton in the top 5. Yes, he has improved, but he's not a top 5 QB and he's not an elite QB. He was hot and cold all season, including the home stretch of games, including the playoff game. Sure, elite players have "off games," but they do not have multiple off games in a single season. Cam struggled many, many, many times this season and as such, you can't call him elite. I would rank him in the 10-16 group, but not top 5.

Anonymous said...

Jesus what a dumb question. Not even close.

Anonymous said...

Newton cannot throw.

My dime said...

The record speaks for itself. Not even in the top 10 QB's. He lacks the biggest intangible for a QB, leadership. He has tremendous talent, but will never live up to it because he lacks between the ears. He will be a serviceable QB in the league for some time, but will never be a winner or a threat to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Let him walk and focus on bringing in a QB who can win and who is team first in every respect.

Reporter of the Obvious said...

We either have the most trolls on our boards or the most ignorant fan base in the world. Cam Newton is an elite quarterback who is only getting better as the seasons come and go. Stop trying to tear down a man that has surpassed each of the haters "flaws". A mature person can admit when they were wrong. We've all been wrong about someone or something during our life, but to begrudgingly hold onto invalid arguments just to be right in your own mind is embarrassing. He is an elite QB and I'm thankful that he's a Carolina Panther. This team would be lost in obscurity if he wasn't our QB. Guess that's what some of you boneheads want though, huh?

Anonymous said...

Seeing as he ran the Bears for many, too many, years...he has no credibility! None. Bears are not any better...and wasted their $$$ on Jay Cutler. He will fizzle out in 3 years...and is oft injured. Cutler sucks. Rodgers is good!

Anonymous said...

It's both an ignorant base (not fans) and haters (they wanted and long for the Andrew Luck profile).

Cam IS an elite NFL QB and doesn't need validation from less than intelligent persons who ironically place that description on Cam.

Robert said...

Wow, a lot of anonymous idiots out there spouting off garbage that makes it evident they didn't watch one game this season or they're just blind haters. Whoever says he was sulking this year and not engaged when it mattered or not doing well in post game interviews doesn't have a clue what's going on. He improved on all of those things this year and definitely became more of a leader so those arguments are now out the window. Another classic comment was the idiot who said we should sign out core free agents instead of giving Newton an extension. Any real Panther fan would that Cam is the core of this team along with Kuechly on the defense. Go find somewhere else to post your ridiculous garbage.

Anonymous said...

If you want to TRADE QB's Atlanta would be willing to TRADE...also, 28 other teams WANT Cam Newton, too.

I would say that makes him an ELITE NFL QB and TOP 5.

The Question is CAN WE KEEP CAM?...He is going to be DEMANDING real MONEY real SOON...to the tune of 110 - 130 Million...

PAY DAT MAN!!!

Anonymous said...

How did this article even get published?

Who? Said what?

Watch him play and look at the overall stats...I'm not even sure he's even in the top 15 and being called Elite is just absurd!

Anonymous said...

I see the same ol' crap that the haters keep posting - some things just never change

And this is just one person's opinion - albeit one that carries much more weight than anybody's on here.

Anonymous said...

He's gaining on his skills but he still overthrows the ball way too many times, causing a lot of those "crunch" times previously discussed. Gettleman may brush that off as "mechanics" but he's been here 3 years and has always had this mechanical problem. He's good and getting better but doesn't belong in the top seven, maybe top ten.

Anonymous said...

If Cam was in a big market he would be a superstar. From Wikipedia:

Highest average yards of total offense, career (293.7)
Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass TDs in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning ('99)
Second most combined passing & rushing yards through his first 37 starts in NFL history (behind Kurt Warner)
First player in NFL history with 50 passing TDs and 25 Rushing TDs in his first three seasons
First player with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons

Maybe the problem is that we have ONE real wide receiver and he is 34 years old.

Kenneth said...

I haven't provided a post since Cam's rookie year when there were so many people bad mouthing him and unfairly I might add. I'm encouraged that there are many who have seen the error of their ways. But there are others who will never give this young man credit. He's not perfect. But who is? Breeze, Manning, and Brady had off games this year and every year for that matter. Newton almost has to be perfect for some of you. Cam is a tremendous NFL quarterback who severely wants to be successful. Definitely an elite quarterback! Let it go haters!

Mills said...

Cam is elite and only getting better!! Don't forget...he wasn't "groomed" to be an NFL QB in college. He was just out there playing! So you haters keep hating! And you idiots keep being idiots!! It's amazing what you can't see or understand when you dislike someone!!

Anonymous said...

Chappy....perfect name for a know nothing clown.

Anonymous said...

These idiots who diss Cam are
falcan'ts and 'aints fans....
dumb and smelly!