Some quick observations about the Panthers' 12-7 loss to Seattle, in which the team blew a 7-6 lead going into the fourth quarter:
-- Josh Thomas certainly deserves criticism for giving up the 43-yard touchdown that put the Seahawks ahead for good in the fourth quarter. He was actually beaten on two straight plays that could have been TDs -- the first was dropped (Thomas said afterward in the locker room he was "winded" after the first play). But let's also remember this: you are not going to hold Russell Wilson and Seattle down forever. You've got to score more points than a single lousy touchdown. I put this loss more on the offense.
-- Ron Rivera goes to 2-13 in games decided by a touchdown or less in his tenure.
-- DeAngelo Williams' fumble inside the 10 was a heartbreaker, as it looked like the Panthers were about to go ahead on their own fourth-quarter score. Williams has not been a fumbler in his career, averaging only about one per season. But that was a huge one. Carolina never saw the ball again. DeAngelo was a stand-up guy about it afterward, telling reporters he was responsible for the loss.
-- One of the biggest reasons Carolina lost was a propensity for really dumb plays by some of its lesser-known players. Frank Alexander bopped a Seattle offensive lineman and got disqualified from the game. Josh Thomas had a punt touch him while he was trying to block -- on a play where Ted Ginn Jr. was not catching the ball -- and had a turnover to go along with getting beaten deep. Armond Smith was penalized -- twice! -- for flirting with out of bounds too much while trying to cover punts.
-- Carolina's front seven, particularly Charles Johnson, was as good as advertised for most of the day. Johnson's strip-sack-recovered fumble - the old Lawrence Taylor triple play -- got the Panthers out of a big jam in the second quarter. Then his pressure caused Wilson to take a 21-yard intentional grounding penalty and forced the Seahawks to take a third-quarter field goal. But the Panthers were really bad on Seattle's last drive, when the Seahawks ground 5:25 off the clock.
-- Where were the Panthers' second and third receivers? Cam Newton didn't target any wide receiver but Steve Smith until the third quarter. Newton threw for only 125 yards, although he had no turnovers. He wasn't helped by the normally sure-handed Greg Olsen dropping two passes.
-- Offensive coordinator Mike Shula's play-calling as a whole was unimpressive in Week 1, particularly on one drive where he ran the ball twice with a second-and-2 and failed to get it either time.
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Glad to see we have not lost our coach led desire to be know as pathetic looser.
It didn't help that Olsen dropped several clean passes and, as with the last several years, defense stopped playing in the fourth quarter. Newton was 70% passing and 7.6 yards avg rushing. The first Armand Smith penalty was BS as there was nothing "unreasonable" about how quickly he got back inbound.
I like the way the Panthers played today. Its one game. Cam played well and the defense was spot on. If it wasn't for a few crucial penalties we win. I am more critical of the crowd. Get loud cheer for the home team. DO YOUR JOB PANTHERS FANS!
Yep, they found a way to lose again but showed their worth against an elite team. Defense looked great & will keep us in games all season.
Its hard to believe D' didn't wrap the ball up with both arms in the red zone. Was he getting greedy?
If you only need 2 yards why not run? You can criticize the type of run play but 2 incompletes would've looked much worse.
I just wonder...just wonder... how it feels to live in a city with an NFL TEAM that has a winning record.
Shula is still a dud like he was when he was with the Bucs. Best player on the field (Newton) kept in a box and thus there were few points. teamover all is poorly coached and is undisciplined.
Same old panthers, finding a way to lose.
Amen, Scott. Nailed it.
All that pressure on Russell Wilson and he didn't even blink, 320 yds passing and winning TD! SMH
Cam Newton acting like a fool after a first down again. No other WINNING quarterback does that! Let the wide receivers do that Cam. Celebrate all you want after a victory with several touchdowns on the board! Please grow up and stop the self promoting!
Scott, great points. One thing I did like about the game was how Rivera used his timeouts before the 2 minute warning. Last year Rivera would wait until after the 2 minute warning to start using timeouts. You can actually save time if you call a timeout right before the 2 minute warning. It always amazed me how he never realized this.
WOW! I predicted 20-13 Sea Chickens this offense is worse than I thought ,so looks like ,if the team can't limp past The Bills in wing city it's 0-3 into the bye week ,and Aaron Murray is looking good as our new QB next year Along with Nick Saban as head coach!
Welcome back Panther fans - to another stellar, losing season. Featured once again this year is superman - the most overhyped, overrated NFL player since Vince Young. In a supporting role is the most overpaid running back in the league, DeAngelo "Jerry's Kid" Williams. Brought to you by the most arrogant, egotistical and greedy owner in the league, Mr. "I Took 89 million of Your Tax Dollars" Richardson. And last and always least .... Supported by the thousands of paying fools who continue buying into the empty promises, worn out excuses and poor quality product. Have a wonderful season and keep the faith. It will all be over in early December. Remember Panther fans, those who refuse learning from history are destined to repeat it
Shulta's head should role now. Don't waste a season. Cam is a freak not being used properly as in past.
We were so excited today tailgating from our www.charlottepestcontrol.net office but the fumble killed it and you are correct about the play calling. This could have been a huge win for us. Heartbreaking!
This game was close. Could've gone the other way if not for the fumble in the red zone and Olsen dropping a few catch-able balls. Too bad couldn't take advantage of a Seattle team on the road for an early game.
Same old story. We get outcoached, again. They make 2nd half adjustments, we don't. They have a creative offense that opens up opportunities, we don't. The Seahawks weren't even trying to score at the end and they moved the ball at will, getting first downs whenever they wanted. Usually with passes to receivers without a Panther within 5 yards of them. Wilson looked 3 times as good as Cam. He isn't, but he has coaches who know how to use him. That is why other teams win and we lose.
I don't think you can pin this lose on the defense, the Panther's offense has to do a better job of scoring and holding on to the ball. The "D" held a playoff team offense to twelve points, you can't ask anymore of them. The offense just isn't that good, and Shula and Rivera both know it, that's why we didn't try to get into field goal range at the end of the first half when we had 32 seconds and three timeouts, knowing that Seattle would get the ball to begin the second half, and we didn't go for it on fourth and one on our own 45...Same loser mentality for a losing team...
I don't think Rivera will last the year . The Panthers are a pathetic joke. Thank the Lord that there is the SEC to fall back on. Geaux Tigers !
Newton is not a drop back pocket passer. If the Panthers wanted wanted one they should have drafted one. Newton is best when they use the read option.
Where the heck were the fans??? I could've heard a cricket's fart before I hear any sounds from the fans...I guess all the goody goods are too busy Facebooking??? Typical Panthers fans...team shows up but not the fans!!!
Some of you are about as dumb as a bag of rocks. Just keep wanting to throw the blame at Cam Newton. Don't know a damn thing about football and being a fan. There were a lot of things that shoulda, coulda woulda made the difference. But Cam can't do no right whatsoever. There is nothing wrong with Cam. You that are so quick to blame him...why u not berating Greg Olsen...he dropped a couple of pinpoint darts that Cam hit him on. I sometimes wish Cam would leave next year. He is so unappreciated in the sorriest low life non sports city I've ever known. People calling for his head already after one game. Yeah...bring in Aaron Murray...WTF? You REALLY think HE is better? LMAO!! What a joke! Some of the dumbest fan base people I have ever heard of in my entire life. SMH
rreidenMore heads should roll than ....Just Shula's ..... Ron needs to go now also......Tom Sorensen is right again as usual.....uravimo
rreidenMore heads should roll than ....Just Shula's ..... Ron needs to go now also......Tom Sorensen is right again as usual.....
rreidenMore heads should roll than ....Just Shula's ..... Ron needs to go now also......Tom Sorensen is right again as usual.....
Same ole team, same result. I'm tired of this crap. Rivera is on the sidelines looking like he could care less - no emotion at all. Newton has not convinced me he can drive the team down the field when we really need it. All hype no results. He is FAR from the Brady-Manning-Rogers class. This is one game we could have made a statement to the NFL world and yet, we do like we have in all other years past - let another close game go down the tubes. Let me know when we get a team that can produce.
Anyone want a PSL....cheap!
Do we even HAVECan offensive coordinator? Oh yeah, and he is pretty offensive. Remember play action..
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The offensive coordinator was offensive. Plain vanilla
The difference in Panthers and Seahawks was the Seahawks had a QB and WR. Cam Newton is not a QB and never will be in my estimation of opinions. He cannot throw the ball plain and simple--he cannot connect with the guys. He is not in sync with the game or the players. He is too busy walking around with a towel on his head chewing gum that is always coming out of his mouth and mostly appears very disinterested. And this guy gets to be Captain--must have been his smile.
We are going to look like fools against our rivals--they have QB's that play to win. Guess the older the get the harder it is to admit --whoops I made a mistake here. Everyone else will get fired but ole Cam will stay. Good luck team.
Cam's worst day ever yardage wise! A dismal 125yds of dink & dunk offense...while Russell Wilson breaks his own record with 320yds. Panthers fans excited about that Defense! WHY?" they gave up nearly 400yds and folded their tent in the 4th Quarter. Steve Smith is all mouth & no show! 3-13 in 2013
Take it easy Panther fans.
Your team is 10x better than last year.
One game yes, but I say it is going to be a long season for our lads. When you hold the Seahawks to 12 points you eect to win the game against any defense. Ominous.
Seattle did not take Cam out of the game....Shula did it for them. I've never seen such conservative play calling.
Seahawks fan here. You guys could have a great team, I think play calling really was the issue for you. It seemed like they stopped running right when it started working well. Strange. Awesome defense until the 4th too.
Russell Wilson is better than Cam. Period. Tired of hearing how Cam gets no respect. Cam is not even close to a top 10 qb
The only time Newton seemed happy was when he thought he got the first down all by himself and celebrated it. If that's what turns him on make him a receiver or running back and put Anderson in as qb.
The only time Newton seemed happy was after getting a first time and celebrated like he'd done it all by himself. If that is what is important to him, make him a receiver or running back and let Anderson be the qb.
The only time Newton seemed happy was after getting a first time and celebrated like he'd done it all by himself. If that is what is important to him, make him a receiver or running back and let Anderson be the qb.
The only time Newton seemed happy was after getting a first time and celebrated like he'd done it all by himself. If that is what is important to him, make him a receiver or running back and let Anderson be the qb.
Offense looked too vanilla...Shula isn't the answer, based on previous roles and today's game.
What about not going for it on 4th and inches??? Feed Tolbert the ball or qb keeper. C'mon coach!
The only time Newton seemed happy was after getting a first time and celebrated like he'd done it all by himself. If that is what is important to him, make him a receiver or running back and let Anderson be the qb.
Someone explain to me why they ran the clock out at the end of the first half. Thought they had at least two TOs.
The problems start at the top. With an 18 year track record of futility it's time for Jerry to let a new owner take over.
Q: Why wouldn't he just go ahead and sell the team now when he can control the outcome and assure a Charlotte friendly owner?
A: Because he's selfish.
I hate you so called Panther Fans....just plain PITIFUL! Can't believe the stuff that comes out of some of your mouths. Blaming CAM for everything that he has no control over. He can throw, given time. Then when he does throw it..what happens? Elite TE's like Greg Olsen drops em. But I'm not even going to blame Olsen. He is STILL a good TE and eveyone has their days. I should have told CAM yesterday...man...the way some of these sorry ass fans talk about you and treat you...move on. Go somewhere else where you WILL be appreciated. Some of the comments I've read are just plain stupid. It was only the FIRST GAME...gheesh...if u don't like what happened today...do us and yourself a favor...GO WATCH AND CHEER FOR SOME OTHER TEAM U CAN BANDWAGON JUMP ON! Sick of some of you! Fakest Fans in the NFL bar none. Thats why when Steelers and Cowboys fans come to town to play us we look stupid as hell! CAM isn't in the same league as Peyton and Brady...ummm...just HOW many years have they been IN the NFL? Why won't u give Newton that chance? He looked a whole lot better today with his demeanor and composure. And so what he laughs and chews gum....Nobody studies harder than he does. You don't see all the things he does off the field. I truly HATE some of you so called Panther fans....it's a damn shame.
I think everybody is overreacting.....seriously. If we score on the drive where DWill fumbled than they have no opportunity to run the clock out on our Defense that did practically everything possible to hold them to 12 pts. This game was lost more by costly mistakes than Coaching in an "all other things equal" game. I think the goal was to keep Cam mistake-free which usually equates to a win. I still feel better about this season than I have after previous Week 1 losses
It is the play execution by the offensive players not the play calling by Shula that cost us the game.Two big drops by Olsen, fumble by Williams, poor throwing accuracy by Cam. Defense played their ass off today and were on the field most of the game. Special teams were nothing special with a critical turnover and a couple of dumb penalties. Seahawks are a good team and the Panthers should of won.
Same excuses around here as last year and of course the same results. So sick of hearing it was just one game. Fact remains that even though a nice person Riveria is not a NFL head coach and Mike Shula is certainly not an offensive coor. Mr. RIchardson had his chance and failed once again to act on it. Maybe Gettleman will now. I'm sick and tired of our team with a losing record. Now with all that said I will be pulling for us in each and every game...I can just remember how winning was fun...thanks John Fox.
Hey Coach, you have another QB who is a better passer than Newton, and you should play him. Too bad you don't have a better Offensive Coordinator!
Why are some of you on here bashing Newton. He ran ran plays that were called. Olsen dropped great passes but yet he name is barley mentioned. Williams fumbles when we are driving to score. Yet its all what Cam didnt do. I call bull on that. What else was he to do. And for the person commenting about his 1st down celebration, I guess you didnt seem give a thanks to Tolbert for opening a whole for him. I am ok with blaming a person when they are wrong but he was not the issue today good try though.
There are two different ways to approach this game.
On one hand, you have to be happy with the improvement shown by the defense. The panthers are finally putting pressure on the quarterback in a way they haven't in years. I'm pleased with the improvement on defense. Even the offense, despite the horrible mistakes, looked good. There was ball movement, there were third down conversions.
But there weren't points. And this is where we need to begin evaluating what the problem is. I think it has more to do with Mike Schula's scheme than it does with our offense. Ginn Jr and Hixon are major assets. Why aren't we utilizing them? I thought we picked up Ginn as a deep threat...so why didn't we go deep at any point in the game? Schula put the offense in a box and played it safe.
I believe the Panthers have the ability to be a great team this season, but I'm tired of letting games slip through our fingers. And I'm tired of hearing Ron Rivera say that we have to "continue to build." At some point, building needs to turn into WINNING.
Also, all this blame being dumped on Cam is completely UNJUSTIFIED. Cam has the capacity to be a great quarterback. He has all the raw talent. He's the best player on the field but, just like so many others, he isn't being utilized or pushed to his full potential. Cam has a strong arm and can really get into a rhythm, but Schula kept calling safe, easy plays. Calls like that will not develop Cam into the great and accurate QB he is capable of being. Watching the 49ers game today, all I could think of is how fearless the playcalling was and how it showed off Kaepernick's skillset. If the Panthers decided to take more risks, the reward would be just as big for Cam and for the team as a whole.
Also, I don't see how quickly doing a signal for "first down" and walking back to his job in the huddle is considered excessive celebration by some of you guys. After years of dealing with inconsistent, crybaby Delhomme and then multiple horrible quarterbacks after him, you'd think the fanbase would be more thankful.
Nobody better blame this on my honey boo Super Cam! Blame it on Armani!
Keep up the good work Mr Richardson!
I love you Cam!
Love all the Cam butt kissers. "Stop it, be nice. It's not fair blaming Cam. He's one of the league's best QB's. you don't know anything about football. Give Cam a chance. He's superman." No doubt you folks are the same ones who believe MLB has done a great job cleaning up the game. Facts seem extremely difficult for superman (LOL) lovers to accept. Nonetheless, they remain. FACT - superman 0-3 in season openers. FACT - superman and the panthers have not sniffed the playoffs since he arrived. FACT - superman is 13-20 as a panther. FACT - Russell Wilson, 320 passing yards, QB rating of 115.7. Superman? 125 passing yards. QB rating of 97.2. And before you begin hailing the defense as the best ever .... They gave up 370 yards, had 1 sack for a loss of 6 yards, no interceptions and Seattle won the time of possession battle. Far from elite. Truth is, most of the folks "bashing" Cam and the panthers are true sports fans. It's just they see reality versus hype. And after 4 years of the same old crap and excuses, they are sick of the BS and want better. In the 17 years the panthers have existed, they've had 4, FOUR winning seasons. So don't jump on the fans who see the truth and hold the owner, coaches and olayers accountable. The panthers are well on their way to becoming the Oakland Raiders and Miami Dolphins of the NFC. Except, both of those teams have Superbowl victories. Remember Jerry's promise when he needed your money? A Superbowl win within 10 years? Remember Jerry's promise when he wanted 160 million in tax money to fix HIS stadium? Of course not. He made threats instead. And so here it is, yet another year of the same. As a previous person said ... Fail to remember your history and you are destined to repeat it. So preach on all you suckers and fools. Tell me again how Cam just needs a chance. Tell me how it is just one game. Tell me how the panthers will turn it around. It's obvious YOU are the ones who know nothing about football. See you at the circus suckers!
Major Positive for me that you didn't mention Scott was Star on Defense. He got several tackles, very impressed. He didn't quit on plays, he turned and made some tackles on ball carriers that were athletic plays. Loved Star's play.
Of course the turnovers were killer, DeAngelo won't do that much. Cam also made a few poor throws, Olsen missed a few catches. Their were two touchdown throws that were bad throws....Cam hit Olsen in the ankles on one and then overthrew a guy on a deep ball. That hurt us.
I was looking for Panthers to balance the run and pass game. The Seahawks did that, we did not. I blame out coaching for that.
Wilson looked amazing, many tough throws on the run that were great, he continues to impress me. He's a winner.
The close losses don't bother me as much as the WAY we lose them! If we could pile up points in the first 3 quarters, it might be a different story, but we seem to be stuck in the John Fox late era of "trying to win by no more than a single point". And WHERE THE HECK WAS BRANDON LAFELL?
ahead fourth quarter
we've been here before, oh no!
panthers lose again
Jerry Richardson should have put this team in SC. We are a football state. We know how to be loud. All these whine and cheese fickle NC basketball fans are unreal. That was a pathetic effort by the fans yesterday . This team has no home field advantage . You fair weather fans make me sick.
Seahawk fan here,
Good game yesterday. Your team played well for the most part so I'm not sure why the doom and gloom. Your Defense was very good. Not easy to stop Seattle's running game. Too many drops (by my old fantasy FB TE) and the costly fumble in the redzone turned the game. Cam was good but not great. I think if the offense lets loose this team will go far.
I agree with a few posters about Cam's first down antiques and his superman shirt ripping. Act like you've been there (Russell Wilson, RG III, Luck, Rogers, Manning, etc. don't do it). Making a first down in the first quarter doeasn't call for such acts (unless it's a last clinching drive in the SuperBowl!)
Who cares if Cam signals after he rushes for a first down? Something needs to be done to get the team (and the fans) fired up. I see no problem with it.
You either have it or do not have it to play in the NFL. The NFL is not high school or college.
Look at our team and the Seahawks --the QB comes out in the second half and you have a football game. The QB and WR:s are connecting. Not so with our team--there is not connecting with Cam Newton. Smitty can barely catch his balls. Have you guys allready forgot how Jake and Smitty and Moose played in the SB? Clean effortless and smooth playing. If you forgot then look at any other team and how smooth the QB and WR:s connect. Cam Newton is out there like a clown making havoc is what we have now and will rest of the seasons he is with us --"If you do no "have it"--no one can teach it!
Cam Newton will stay and be the demise of many good football players on that field he is playing with. This guy falls apart and cannot play the second quarter. He is exhausted--watch him on the field --any team can beat us second quarter. Cam runs like he is my sons hamster not know where to go, what to do --his balls become to high or too low and they are going to do what teach a QB how to be a QB.
I agree with another poster about
Cam. Give him running back position. He is happy when he can score only, otherwise he is not and he wants to be the center of attention and run in for those TD's. We will never have a decent passing game with Cam like the other teams have. He may be big but he falls hard and he does not have the stamina to last the game.
The shorter guys do better they are faster capable of moving swiflty. Cam hesitates and you know what they say about that ---"He who hesitates is lost!"
Unknown got it right. If Cam want to be a decent QB he should leave this team. Me and my wife wasn't really into the game. I think we will start out 0-3. Bills and Giants( I hate to see this game) will beat us down. It is starting to get depressing watching this franchise lose early and win late. Jerry move this team to LA
As a Seahawks fan who saw this same matchup last year, the Carolina D looks much stronger. They harassed and pounded our QB all day and stuffed the run game, holding Marshawn Lynch under 50 yeards rushing. Thank God we had Russull Wilson, most QB's in this league would have wilted under this pressure. Your D will keep you in a lot of games this year.
11.19pm.....GREAT POST! KUDOS!!
You are 100% correct that Kit Kat "fans" won't hold the organization accountable for lack of results. They are just a bunch of slurpers who lap up whatever lousy product Jerry (or MJ) puts on the table, really just a joke.
BOOOO PANTHERS!!
PS...4 winning seasons out of 18.
Seahawks fan here: I just want to say that the Panthers played a great game, one that could have easily gone their way. I have no doubt that the team is on the rise and have a great chance to win a playoff berth. They certainly scared the crap out of this fan. Go Hawks!
I only have one tidbit of advice for Shula the play caller.... SCREEN, SCREEN, SCREEN, damnit. When you have an aggressive defense, SCREEN it damnit!
as long as you're in Richardson still alive and Ron Rivera is the head coach the Carolina Panthers I'm never going anywhere they have a soft offence a quarterback that only knows how to throw one way and only one receiver who only show boats after every time he touches the ball. remember everyone we had a chance to get a Jim Harbaugh and Andrew Luck would have came with him then we had a chance to get chip kelly who would have brought the best out of cam. So until Jerry I hate to say is dead and gone. The team is gone be what it will be. Sorry.
Sadly the best comments on here are from a fan of the opposing team.
Half the people on here are stupid ATL fans who are just on here to hate, and another quarter of the posters on here are ignorant and just on here to hate on football in general.
All that said, the problem starts and ends with Rivera - he is one of the last remaining Hurney fiascos and hopefully Gettleman and Richardson get fed up with this idiotic game planning and fire him during the bye week if we go 0-3 to start the season.
The gutless playcalling and failure to adjust during the game has plagued us more than anything else during the last 2+ years. Rivera has no clue how to manage a clock, design a gameplan, and make decisions that indicate a willingness to win rather than playing not to lose.
Until we have a coach that will be aggressive, we will lose games like this.
i dont know what game most of you people where watching, how can anyone put the blame on cam,he played a good game, shula put in the right play calls,if certain players like armond smith and frank alexander had not made such bone head decisions it would have been a different game,i am confident that next sunday they will come out and get it right
I want everyone to look at the 49ers,Jerry what were you thinking you say you want a super bowl team but your moves prove the opposite.Is this organization set up to be a looser. Look at Chip Kelly he has mad that offense of the Eagles look special.Why wait so long to make a firm change in staff. Steve smith is a good receiver but he`s not in his prime anymore, Less face it we should start utilizing Ginn and Hixon and armanti....Smith would be more effective as a 3rd down receiver like the redskins used Art Monk years ago.Theres no reason shula is not telling Cam to spread the ball around to keep defenses guessing unless its in someones contract to get more catches which is why we are loosing games.....Please fix these problems before its to late.
I really hope that Jerry does`nt tolerate this very long and makes a change soon he should be already looking for Riveres replacement in a super star college coach, they seem to come in the NFL wanting to make a name for themselfs quickly look at Harbough...Chip Kelly....they seem to get more out of there players .
why not call out this show boating in the locker room and ask why ...were not winning...why...you only did what you were supposed to and make a first down..From now on my team only celebrates after a touchdown and after we win the game period...makem earn it Jerry.....
Why did we not see at least 3 fly patterns for Ginn.Let me see wide receiver cannot be touched after 5 yards with his down field speed even if he didnt catch it the corner would of been winded for a few plays. Were not being cunning enough with our play calling.If the line can`t give Cam enough time roll Cam out to buy some time be more creative geezz...utilize the pump fake .
Why is Josh Norman not starting? Why did we not try to get down field before halftime when we had 35 seconds left and at least 1 if not 2 timeouts? At least try a few middle of field passes and maybe get a field goal. Too conservative. Chip Kelly's first 4th down in the league he went for it.
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