tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post1515951917741347650..comments2023-10-16T06:09:53.892-04:00Comments on Scott Says ...: Perturbed Panther fans Part 2Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-77249694756131901682012-12-20T20:18:30.593-05:002012-12-20T20:18:30.593-05:00I blame coaching. Coaches know who to keep and who...I blame coaching. Coaches know who to keep and who to let go. Just look at what Jim H. did with his 49ers in such a short amount of time. To me it's all about the coaches. We can blame players for this or for that but it's the coaches who decides who get's involved in what plays and on how many plays. I could go on and on about who to lay blame but to me at the end of the day it comes down to the coaches in knowing what they have and how they should use them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17411769186736774220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-26209094816058069452012-12-20T13:43:28.082-05:002012-12-20T13:43:28.082-05:00It all comes down to the players. Let me take away...It all comes down to the players. Let me take away 3 fumbles and 3 interceptions and we are 10 game winners...easy. I think Mr. Richardson is dedicated and has spent the money but its up to the players to win the games. I say give Coach R 1 more season but if no playoffs....he goes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-84533143028800884532012-12-20T12:22:44.542-05:002012-12-20T12:22:44.542-05:00It was mentioned in an earlier post about the long...It was mentioned in an earlier post about the long time it took the New England Patriots to become successful. It begins with the owner. Robert Kraft bought the Patriots in 1994. Before that time they were a perennial losing team. Prior to his purchase of the team, the Patriots were 19-61. Since he purchased the team in 1994, the Patriots have won 11 division titles, 6 conference titles and 3 Super Bowl championships. <br /><br />I saw the reverse happen to the Washington Redskins. When Jack Kent Cooke owned the team, the Redskins were perennial winners. Since Daniel Snyder bought the team..well the Redskins record speaks for itself. <br /><br />I'm sorry, the success of a sports franchise doesn't start with the head coach or even the general manager. It begins at the very top...THE OWNER. The Owner's mindset and philosophy will affect every decision that is made...hirings of head coaches and general managers, how much to pay for players, developing the team through the draft, free agency or a combination of the two, whether to trade draft picks or keep them, etc.... <br /><br />It is the owner of the franchise that sets the compass of that franchise. <br /><br />So, the key question is what type of owner is Mr. Richardson. If a franchise has continuity in ownership and continued, perennial, historic mediocrity, then the problem has been discovered. The only problem is, you can fire players, coaches and general managers, but you can't fire owners. That owner must decide for himself or herself, change or let the team go. <br /><br />Otherwise, like has been said, the definition of insanity is to do the things you've always done, but expect a different result. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-66678760675045316292012-12-20T09:02:51.746-05:002012-12-20T09:02:51.746-05:0022Why should anyone take an anomyous letter seriou...22Why should anyone take an anomyous letter seriously??? Put your on it and own your statement! Joe Ross, PSL ownerJoe rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-85984009912147792352012-12-19T22:04:49.967-05:002012-12-19T22:04:49.967-05:00I agree 100%. I'm glad someone did this. I'...I agree 100%. I'm glad someone did this. I'm just as upset as the author of the letter. Time for Jerry to be accountable. Spend some freaking money on quality talent. And my names Danny HillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-40832757345789672702012-12-19T16:22:37.930-05:002012-12-19T16:22:37.930-05:00I'm glad to see efforts like this to hold ALL ...I'm glad to see efforts like this to hold ALL involved with the team accountable. I can take losing, though I absolutely hate it, so long as I'm convinced that winning is THE goal of the ownership I fork so much money over to each and every year. THAT is the rub. Douglas Paulynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-17271392645287932372012-12-19T08:55:58.687-05:002012-12-19T08:55:58.687-05:00I agree with the intent of the ad but NOT their co...I agree with the intent of the ad but NOT their conjecture, that it is greed that has caused the mediocrity. The Patriots have spent almost $2 million LESS than the Panthers, & who wouldn't love their consistent record. <br />It all comes down to management & coaches decisions. Richardson is not successful because he is greedy, he's wealthy because he has the acumen & drive not common amongst men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-23078299693976120042012-12-19T08:32:30.638-05:002012-12-19T08:32:30.638-05:00Hunkydory,
Terribly sorry you're angry old cha...Hunkydory,<br />Terribly sorry you're angry old chap. I think you'll find we're not 'whiners' over at Cat Scratch Reader, but rather a group of fans who better understand that successful franchises aren't built in a day, let alone the second year into a new QB and head coach's tenure.<br /><br />The letter and argument were pertinent back in 2010, but in December of 2012 it's unnecessary. Hurney is gone, Accorsi is searching for a new GM, Newton is developing, and this coaching staff have finally learned from their mistakes (of which there were many).<br /><br />In short: The wholesale changes requested are underway already, whether or not fans are impatient is another story.<br /><br />Thanks for reading our site though!James Datorhttp://www.catscratchreader.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-10472768654681978212012-12-18T21:51:52.114-05:002012-12-18T21:51:52.114-05:0011123I am in basic agreement with the complaints e...11123I am in basic agreement with the complaints expressed in the full page ad in Mondays Observer. When an NFL team is not able to put together a single back to back winning season in 18 years, their is a serious systemic problem. The system is broken folks. It really is that simple. <br />Where do you start looking to fix the problem? You look at the Owner? I don't profess to know the solution, but it is the job of Jerry Richardson to solve that problem. He has done a miserable job of doing that so far, but maybe firing Marty Hurney and hiring a consultant to find the next GM is a start in the right direction.<br />I like what I am seeing down the stretch, and I would like to see Rivera stay another season, because I think they may be turning things around. However, the real proof of an organization going in the right direction will be sustaining a winning program, and they have not been able to do that in the past.<br /><br />Ken RiceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11090417999046601464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-4650192020346502982012-12-18T21:39:10.726-05:002012-12-18T21:39:10.726-05:00Always amazes me how smart some think they are. W...Always amazes me how smart some think they are. Why is this a big deal now and why does it take some random letter to provoke it? <br /><br />Fans have a vote and can deliver a much louder message to Mr.Richarson. Simply don't go to the games. Law of supply/demand applies here folks. Fans keep feeding the monster. And have continued over the years as prices of tickets and concessions have escalated. <br /><br />It is almost assured that if fans stop going to games, you will see a quick response. <br /><br />Fans have just as much a sense of entitlement as Mr. Richardson. At the end of the day everyone has a choice. Use your pocket book if you want it to change. Mr. Richardson is smart, he will not stand point if cash flow starts to slow down. <br /><br />Probably will not happen as most that go to games now use it as a social status to be at the games. <br /><br />For me, I sold my PSL's about 5 years ago and am doing great. I want the Panthers to do well. If not, well there are more important areas to expend my energy and resources.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-3933063465193487612012-12-18T21:21:20.895-05:002012-12-18T21:21:20.895-05:00No way the person who wrote that email also wrote ...No way the person who wrote that email also wrote the ad. Compare syntax and style.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-71532470993273536552012-12-18T20:08:21.844-05:002012-12-18T20:08:21.844-05:00Simple answer: Sell your PSLs, quit watching the g...Simple answer: Sell your PSLs, quit watching the games on TV, don't buy Panther merchandise, etc.<br /><br />That's exactly what I did. Went back to the team I pulled for before the Panthers came to Charlotte, the Bears.<br /><br />Jerry still gets rich, but he gets rich off YOU, and not me. <br /><br />Go Bears.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-74059140390259445552012-12-18T19:49:48.892-05:002012-12-18T19:49:48.892-05:00So what is gained here? Angry fan vers the hopeful...So what is gained here? Angry fan vers the hopeful. In non of this will anyone of us change influence or pressure another outcome other then what the team has already or will soon decide. All we can do is hope for the best. Sometimes the best will not be good enough for most people. These ones will never no the true satisfaction that comes from true owenship. Ownership is more then the power to buy. Ownership is loyalty. Ownership is also a commitment. While I have not purchased this team, they are dear to my hart. They after all, are MY Panthers. I love them and sometimes I hate that I love them. But ether way ... Revara or no.. I have chosen this team for a reason. And I will stick with them. Mr. Richardson I doubt you will read this but if you do please no that we are behind you, and hope for next year. Everyone I hope you enjoy the playoffs the draft and spring practice. We have so meeny serous things to worry about ... Try to enjoy football ... That's why it exist in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-74464965429843179732012-12-18T19:34:18.515-05:002012-12-18T19:34:18.515-05:00In the NFL we have a salary cap, not in the busine...In the NFL we have a salary cap, not in the business world. Teams do not build winners by getting rid of coach after coach. I am also frustrated, but at least this coach (unlike john fox who is winning) is willing to make changes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-55763791984864361632012-12-18T18:48:53.574-05:002012-12-18T18:48:53.574-05:00Bob (PSL Owner)
Based on what? Your close relati...Bob (PSL Owner)<br /><br />Based on what? Your close relationship with Mr. Richardson? He fired Capers and Seifert with time remaining on their deals. He let Fox coach out the string for various reasons, including impending lockout, the maddeningly up and down nature of the team from season to season under Fox, too much loyalty to Hurney, and the good play at the end of the 2009 season. It's not as if he just didn't want to pay two coaches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-83134939521007181302012-12-18T18:43:26.644-05:002012-12-18T18:43:26.644-05:00To Anon at 4pm -
I don't really understand how...To Anon at 4pm -<br />I don't really understand how you can support the article but disagree with nearly everything in it. You agree things are headed in the right direction. You believe that Mr. Richardson wants the team to succeed. Mistakes have been made. People have lost their jobs for these mistakes. Rivera is getting better and developing talent. All of these things are in opposition to the letter you claim to support. Also, you state that the letter writer opines that this is not about money but results, when he expressly states that he can come up with no explanation for the problems other than money. I disagree with the writer, and it seems you do too. I stand by my opinion that the writers come off as arrogant and entitled - not by wanting the team to win, but by the intimation that since they are not it must mean that the owner doesn't care (or cares more about money). I don't question anyone's right to express an opinion. These comment sections, various forums, and other venues provide ample opportunity to do so. I feel that one does not commit the resources to a full page ad in the newspaper to simply express an opinion. I understand that you do not share that opinion and respect that, but it seems what you believe is much more in line with what I wrote than the "Perturbed PSL" writer. <br /><br />One question:<br />If the current progress continues, Rivera is retained and the team makes the playoffs next year, what will have changed in ownership and management that has not already happened prior to the writing of this letter? Will the writers still complain about the direction, or celebrate the success of the team? I don't really understand either scenario - if they still complain then I would be interested to hear the grounds for this, as a winning team and good product is what they are asking for. If they do not complain, what was done differently as a result of their grievances? What if Rivera loses his job and we get the big name coach, new GM, and still don't make the playoffs? There is no guarantee, and the attitude that this is any type of certainty and Mr. Richardson is just not willing to commit the necessary resources is naive at best and insufferably arrogant at worst.A Real Fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-85635020397883736522012-12-18T18:10:27.236-05:002012-12-18T18:10:27.236-05:00All BS... in any sport there are dues to pay. Goi...All BS... in any sport there are dues to pay. Going to one Superbowl is not guaranteed. We have already had a shot. Real fans stick by their teams, these aren't real fans or real men. Stop whining and go home and watch your 'out of state' teams. Big baby whiners who apparently make so much money they think they own other businesses and have the right to manage them via the media. Get a real life, its a SPORT, nothing more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-16502564784279796292012-12-18T18:08:24.669-05:002012-12-18T18:08:24.669-05:00I find it interesting the letter/email referenceds...I find it interesting the letter/email referenceds the media's "approval" of the Panthers' record. Where's the surprise? The Observer staff has always been more interested in telling its readers the UNC-Chapel Hill Tar Heels is the team everyone should be a fan of. I wonder how much free marketing the Observer has provided UNC-Chapel Hill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-11860650513027252822012-12-18T17:56:43.447-05:002012-12-18T17:56:43.447-05:00Why doesn't Mr. Richardson have an invite for ...Why doesn't Mr. Richardson have an invite for the loyal paying fans to come in and ask questions? What's he afraid of? Educate and communicate with the people who are paying the salaries of the players and making Mr. Richardson a wealthy owner. Most companies have shareholder meetings, if you have a PSL your a shareholder of the franchise. Come to the table and have a discussion with passionate fans. At the end of the day we all want to win a superbowl right? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-52058872405567734872012-12-18T17:54:41.126-05:002012-12-18T17:54:41.126-05:00I agree with the tone of the PSL owner's lette...I agree with the tone of the PSL owner's letter. I do think Rivera should be given one more year. But I moved to Indiana in 2007 and have remained a loyal Panther's fan for 5 years. I had to fork out plenty of cash to watch their games on Sunday Ticket. I've purchased merch. The day of games I wear my Smitty or Newton jersey to work, and all my Hoosier co-workers know I'm a big Panther's fan. When a nationally televised comes on here, I'm sure to let everyone know. But every time the Panthers embarrass me, such as that debacle against New York this year. They've had 1 winning season since I've moved here. And I have to put up with all the ribbing text I receive from Colts fan whose team has a winning record with their rookie QB. I just want a respectable team. But I'll always be a Panthers fan, no matter what...Stephenhttp://stephencjames.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-91640737085064485072012-12-18T17:43:48.148-05:002012-12-18T17:43:48.148-05:00Well... they sure speak for me and I did sell my (...Well... they sure speak for me and I did sell my (4)PSL's and the Panthers did lose an active fan who along with my family attended most every game in Charlotte and only missed one game in Clemson. And by the way the six seasons we drove 5 hours to Charlotte and since then two hours drive to Charlotte. I gets expensive travelling so to watch this often noncompetitive nonsense. I couldn't take it anymore, I have enough to worry about in a management job that I enjoy to get flippin' bummed out a majority of the Sundays from gametime untill. Do I still watch the Panthers? Sure, most Sundays I do, but every single home game I look at those empty seats and in a strangly satisfying way four of those empty seats represent me. Go Broncos!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-33166375040731773832012-12-18T17:30:40.868-05:002012-12-18T17:30:40.868-05:00Don't let it, sell your seats. Otherwise, shut...Don't let it, sell your seats. Otherwise, shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-4992145470888754892012-12-18T17:17:12.029-05:002012-12-18T17:17:12.029-05:00apparently it hasn't been a good season for ma...apparently it hasn't been a good season for making a profit selling psl seats to the opposing teams fans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-90732964550037978872012-12-18T16:10:30.865-05:002012-12-18T16:10:30.865-05:00Richardson won't fire Rivera as he has too man...Richardson won't fire Rivera as he has too many years left on his contract. He's not going to pay two coaches.Bob (PSL owner)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1757788746378060243.post-47226281383268860072012-12-18T16:00:44.405-05:002012-12-18T16:00:44.405-05:00I have a real problem with people calling these gu...I have a real problem with people calling these guys whiners. Especially the guy ("Real Fan") who tries to make a case that we should be grateful for a franchise because there are so many other franchises that have been worse. These PSL owners consistently dump money into this franchise BECAUSE they renew their tickets EVERY year. They have a RIGHT to express their opinion. In order to foster a strong fan base, you have to post consistent winning seasons. ALL....and I say again, ALL NFL franchises are going to make money, and lots of it. Look at the list of the most valuable sports franchises in the world and you will see that all 32 NFL teams are in the top 50. The argument, as the writer of this article pointed out, isn't about money, it's about a roadmap to improvement. Yes, Mr Richardson got involved and fired Hurney, but that was long overdue and I don't think anyone will disagree there. Mr Richardson recognized that and fired the GM. The facts are simple: Hurney was terrible at mid-round draft talent evaluation and we were very rarely players in the Free Agency market. Topped by a team full of bad contracts, the receipe for success starts with this hire of a new GM and his ability to get the salaries under control. We have a young talent base and certainly capable of big things, but one fact that people are overlooking is that we had too high of expectations this year based on last year's success and Kalil's ad in the preseason. This team has WAAAAAY too many holes to fill to be a contender year in and year out (OL and DB/Safeties for starters). I, for one, do have faith in Mr Richardson, but this organization, the fans AND the local media have to be patient as this team evolves. Throwing money at the problem isn't always the answer (see the ridiculous amount of spending last off season). If your philosophy is to "build through the draft," you first have to draft well. I'm sorry, drafting an obscure offensive lineman from a D-II school is a perfect example of why our draft picks beyond the first round typically don't pan out. I don't think anyone in this forum, Scott or any of the other writers for the C.O. could make a case for too many other teams that draft worse than we do. In addition to not being players in FA, you have the formula that produces the outcome we have out on the field now. Do I believe the learning curve for Rivera is nearly vertical? Yes. Do I think he can do the job? Yes. Do I think he's made a bunch of coaching mistakes along the way? Absolutely, but who, of the best coaches in the NFL, hasn't? The most important move the Panthers will make in this offseason will be who they hire as GM. Period. That's part of the reason why Mr. Richardson hired an outside firm to help. The new GM will have to be VERY active in renegotiating contracts JUST to get under the salary cap, not to mention signing our draft picks. Needless to say, whoever they hire will have to hit the ground running right away! My advice to Rivera, though, is take charge of what works. A high-octane offense worked last season. Had the defense not been horrible, we MIGHT have been in the playoffs in Rivera's first year, but it's hard to fix a 2-14 team overnight. The offense is showing signs of life that were similar to last year now, and the defense is making great strides now too. This off seasons personnel moves will be CRITICAL to our success next year, but I agree that if we don't make the playoffs next year, blow up the team and start over. As for the fans, we all support the team, but we just have a hard time dealing with the frustrations of losing. The PSL owners made a statement to management. Support it, because in the end, we'll all be the same people filling the seats in BoA Stadium on Sundays and we all want the same thing....a championship caliber franchise!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com